There he became one of the storied programs most decorated athletes being named Phil Mickelson Freshman of the Year, Jack Nicklaus Player of the Year, the Haskins Award Winner as the most outstanding player in collegiate and amateur golf, and capped his collegiate career by helping the Crimson Tide win their first National Championship in 2013. Only 0.4% of the average male amateur population is above a club speed of 115 mph. 200 to 225 yards. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. Hcap 5 will be around 68. Oddly, I bet you find that you do NOT score significantly better than your handicap even though the distances are short. Am I as good as tour pro? Bob Vokey makes the best wedges for the best players in the world on behalf of Titleist. T 'enG~q/Om\#Q`{ HLRpC45`|NiG*"2agUTeu9d10S8xl?O`,`~ja~=j'(d~e?7UN+&iHPI=8NQQ={"K9R1d"3j$NJd[?@fUM)IxJ)Sn-bcVk7*"d9;&!0tB%=7$W&q&:L^q1|T]6k)SF Most golfers think that the guys on the PGA Tour hit the ball incredibly long. He is 180 ball speed off the driver with outstanding launch numbers. Those numbers seem about right. Not uncommon these days for elite swing speed Simmer down, all. STEAL THESE FROM ME! There isnt anybody who wouldnt like to be able to hit the ball further. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. Please have a look at the TrackMan locator at this link; https://mytrackman.com/public/locator, Kind regards Niklas Bergdahl Support Manager. Upload or insert images from URL. Am I as good as tour pro? a higher loft) than the actual degree loft number shown on their club. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] Granted, their handicaps are high, but it gives a lot of support to what Mr. Pelz has been telling us all these years. I am guarded from the bladed strike when hitting the lob shot which then builds a trust and compliment to my short game. You can see the fuller head at the top of the toe in the lob wedges when the clubs are aligned next to each other, but you can only slightly notice a change in shape at address. Through such initiatives as the Justin Thomas Youth of the Year Leadership Academy with the Boys & Girls Club of Kentuckiana, USA Cares and the First Tee, Justin is committed to showing compassion, displaying kindness, and making a difference in the world. If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. Titleist 712 CB 4-9, MB PW KBS Tour (HS1X) I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Even when playing from the green tees at Torrey Pine South, the AMA is left with 165 yards for his approach shot. This informative information was more helpful for golfers. Dont Waste Your Money, Should Your Wedges Match Your Irons? Vokey (TVD SM7 RAW 52 & SM6 RAW 58)- DG S400 [/quote] I actually feel I get more out irons than I do the woods. RocketBladez Tour 4-PW // C-Taper The 22 years old Jon Rahm, is one of the new upcoming stars on the European and PGA Tour. This way the material is removed from the face and not spread out which means the grooves are sharper and weight isn't dispersed. The false fronts, forced carries, and deep protecting bunkers are too difficult for the AMA to deal with. Launch Angle 11.28 [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 95 X Hybrid, Irons: Titleist T100 (3-9) And this is about DJs average big drive when he swings harder, at around 125 mph. On the longest drive, the projected distance(without the slice) was 332 yards. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. Sometimes I will hit a 270 once or twice a round maybe and then two or three more at 240, but I will mix in a few bad ones at 190 with a hook or a slice and the rest will be at least 215 to 220. Add That Little Extra Limited also participates in other affiliate programs with FlexOffers, CJ, Svorn and other sites and is compensated for referring traffic and business to these companies (again at no cost to you). Finally the bunker shot, this is where I feel Vokey really stand out and help my game. Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. Fan Mail Justin Thomas Club Head Speed 119.55 [/quote] On average PGA pros hit a 3-iron a carry distance the distance from strike to point of ground impact of 217 yards. I once read that if all golfers had to count every stroke they took, and appropriate penalty shots, only 10 percent could legitimately break a 100. Its unrealistic for most amateurs to break 100 on courses that share the aforementioned conditions, which is what a lot of the courses of today present. Should my ball speed be faster based on the distance Im getting. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. Since SM6 Vokeys have evolved subtly to be exactly what tour players want. Did your coach share the TrackMan report with you on mytrackman.com ? Whatever helps you sleep at night my friend. X-Forged UT (#3- 21)- DG X700 To make such large scale improvements, we must first better understand the patientin order to diagnose the problems. me too! Can crush it further by trap drawing it really stepping on it. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. While golf has given Justin a career he thoroughly enjoys, he knows the life lessons golf can provide. I know I hit the ball a long way though. More photos from the event here. Bump up your confidence around the greens. It's good for some laughs. It is fun and I find that I usually am scoring better than I would say 90% of the guys I play with now, hitting on average longer than 90% and I realize that that is because shooting in the 90s means in golf you are better than most so above average which unless you played since a teenager and have no other life and want to play 4 to 5 days a week or more that is all you can ask for. But he picked up 25 yards for elevation, 25 for wind, and another 45 for extra roll. endobj Not at all. TI Taylormade SIM Ti (15.4) Tensei CK Pro Blue 80X I'm 6'3, in pretty good shape and played baseball my entire life. It's good for some laughs. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, 2023 HSBC Women's World Championship (Mar 02 - 05), Byron Morgan best for your balls DH89 & the elusive DBCM 8802, TWO PUTTERS - ONE POST. These high-level numbers of course dont always tell the whole story as the pros like us are faced with an infinite variety of golf shots which dont always mean they are hitting each club as far as they possibly can for every shot. No question - 100%. Your shot versatility is obtained by a comprehensive 23 head options in different lofts, grinds and bounces. Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high me too! Thanks to this impressive article, they will help more and more those who want to play golf. Distance to Apex 195.9 Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 85 S, Irons: Callaway Apex Forged (2021) (4-PW) It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Shaft:Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 7 X, Irons: TaylorMade P770 (4-5), TaylorMade P7MC (6-PW) The facts are in front of us at instructors, now we must help convey your points to the masses. Shafts: Project X 125 6.5 (46), Project X 120 6.0 (52-60), Putter: Scotty Cameron 009 You can post now and register later. On average pros drive the ball a total of 296.6 yards (yds) according to official PGA Shotlink data. Justins interest in the military was inspired by some of the men and women in uniform he has met over the years. Both wedges I could spin and release depending on the swing I put on the shot, I was especially a fan of the lob wedge chip shot which stopped on the second bounce. I figured that out years ago based on hole distance and yardage to the flag after my tee shot. When looking at how the AMA performs, lets start with the drive. Master the Swing Plane and Handle Path for Increased Distance and Accuracy! [/quote] When it comes to his mid-irons he hits his 6-iron and 7-iron 195 and 180 yards. Physics First. We've enjoyed playing this great game with friends, family and competitors from all over the world for many years. And also wondering how LPGA fits into this chart. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer The 56 to 62 grooves are wider and shallower for chipping and lob shots. [/quote] How Far Should Beginners Hit A Golf Ball? I have completely lost my iron swing due to injury and need a swing coach as well as does your program cover this as well? Dear friend, do anyone here user Taylormade RSI 1 Irons. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. It was soft in landing rather than quick and checking. I ultimately decided on the Tour AD DI 6X as a better choice. I've seen plenty of tour pros hit balls & played with many good golfers. Its important to know what grass you play, what course you play (be it links or parkland) and how you deliver the club at impact (steep or shallow). On average PGA Tour pros hit a 3-wood a carry distance of 249 yards. When it comes to talking about distance in golf the easiest and most obvious place to start is of course always with the longest club in the golf bag the driver. Honestly many guys in this small % sort of make every other golfer feel like that . [/quote] Ball Speed 176.38 Learn to play your game, but keep pushing yourself where sensible and on the range, and youll enjoy your round more and start playing much more consistent golf. The plan is to include this type of information within TrackMan University in the future, but that is likely many months away at this point. TrackMan - Have a look at Justin Thomas' swing and | Facebook I also shot 86. Optimizing a golfers distance with the driver (using their existing club speed) is an alternative way to effectively shortening a golf course. The wedge glided through the turf and nipped the ball at impact, resulting in reliable soft strikes. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. How Far Do Pro Golfers Hit Each Club? A 2022 Guide also his AoD on the stinger. Thomas breakout season came in 2016-17 with five of his PGA TOUR wins, including the PGA Championship, 12 top 10 finishes and, ultimately, the FedEx Championship. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. You can use our TrackMan Locatortofind your local TrackMan certified and ask for a combine test. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. But you also have to add in the slight mishits, the rainy days, and the balls that land in the rough. Your email address will not be published. Before it is assumed that the AMA should simply club up, actual distances with each club should be determined. Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 7 S, Hybrid: Callaway Apex (19 degrees) I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. What is evident is you obviously don't play with good amateur players. Do you suppose my distance is bs? So much so that if I'm 220 out, a distance I can reach with a perfect 5 wood, ill hit to 50, pitch, putt, par and drive you insane. Club Head Speed 119.55 Distance is great. Thanks! Just ask Corey Pavin, Mark Wilson, Mike Weir, Fred Funk. It's a pretty common way to play the game and it helps the scoring aspect of your game tremendously. The AMA is capable of carrying the ball much further than his current total distance. A look at Brooks Koepkas yardage book below gives us a great insight into this and highlights how many types of shots pros can play with their irons. But i attribute most of that to playing with a best friend who was a scratch golfer and showed me theres no need to take longer than 2 hours to play 18 holes. I feel like a lot of AMs sacrifice strike for the extra 1-2 mph which ultimately leads to less distance. Sorry that I can not be of better help right now. In my experiences wedges can be the least searched review on YouTube and some of the worst fitting processes. My total yardage for my 7 iron is 190, my ball speed is 119 mph. Total Distance Efficiency 2.484. You cannot paste images directly. a lower loft) or a touch weaker (i.e. Knowing tee shot distances and iron distances helps with that. The main part of the fitting was when I moved onto the chipping green and started to hit bunker shots - these clubs just got better and better, theyre so secure in strike and very reliable. Average club speed was 105-112, average ball speed was 139-152, and average rpm was between 4400-5100. My hunch its even bigger for AFA vs AMA? Maybe for one swing he got there. Instead, its mostly situational. Items sent in without return postage will not be returned. I went into a facility with Trackman launch monitors and have attached 4 out of 1000 swings avg 117 mph? He has an average attack angle of -1.6 degrees.The following table looks at the AMA versus what is optimal., *Carry, Landing Angle, and Total were normalized under 0 alti- tude, 75F, and 75% humidity for the AMA to create an apples to apples comparison. 8.5* Tour Issue 07 Burner // PL Red 65x I cant hide my excitement and love for a Vokey wedge and it doesnt change on these. [/quote] It's good for some laughs. Is the dispersion linear, eg at 176 yards is it the same proportion at 88 feet or more? Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. TSi2 18, VTS Silver 8xMizuno MP Fli Hi 21, Recoil 110MP-20 MMC 5-P,DG X100SM850F, 54S, 58MPXGCloser Gen 2Tour BX. On the LPGA Tour the top pros hit their driver an average of 257.7 yards. [/quote] Titleist fitting last summer at my home course. Or when hazards are present, it may be even wiser to aim for the opposite edge of the green. [quote]I don't measure my driver distance. There is nothing worse than getting the club stuck in the ground at impact. Hamish777, March 26, 2013 in WRX Club Techs. The new Vokey SM9 wedges has a focus on this exact shot by placing weight higher in the toe. [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] He is traditional in what he wants the wedge to look like. The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021). I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. FULL GUIDE By Age, Handicap etc. Crazy thing is I hit my 3 wood off the tee about 250 yards. Length is nothing. Jordan Spieth WITB 2021 (May Charles Schwab Challenge), Jordan Spieth WITB: 2020 Farmers Insurance Open, Jordan Spieth winning WITB: 2022 RBC Heritage, WITB Time Machine: Jordan Spieths 2015 John Deere Classic winning WITB. RJ, What was the actual value of swing speed group 115 mph+, since it shows 0%. How to gain more distance without swinging faster? Especially when they was no other golfers in sight. PGA Tour players hit their driver a total of 296.6 yards on average with a carry distance of 284.3 yards according to official 2022 Shotlink data. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]8.5* Driver[/background][/size][/color] And this is where taking the TrackMan Combine and going through a Find Your Distance session is so valuable. The LDA guys can't hang with the short games and are wildly sporadic with their tee shots, hence why they get multiple tries. Grip: SuperStroke, Driver: Titleist 917 D3 (10.5 degrees @12) 100% of all funds raised with be used to make a constructive and quality impact for a deserving child, family or charity. 6 0 obj G.O.A.T.? Trap draw? That's not Justin, that's Johnny. Thomas is also only 1 of 6 players in PGA Tour history with 15 victories and 2 Majors before his 30th birthday, joining Jack Nicklaus, Johnny Miller, Tom Watson, Rory McIlroy and Tiger Woods. The average for those golfers was 117 mph. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. I know what you are thinking, there is a lot that goes into making a wedge. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Average Distance - 302 yards[/background][/size][/color] 6 Iron Trackman Data - What am I missing? Too delofted? This is the site where we share everything we've learned. Before when I opened the club face I presented too much leading edge, but due to the high bounce and shape with the M grind this doesnt happen. I hit the same. I almost just quit playing golf because when I started 4 years ago I was playing golf with two people most of the time that were in the 1% of AMAs . [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Clubhead Speed - 125[/background][/size][/color] Or should i take control on the distance i have? For years, Justin has quietly used his fame and financial wherewithal to help many. Lets consider the (average) approach shot distance that the AMA will have on an average par 4. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ratio - 1.48[/background][/size][/color] By comparison a 5-wood carries 235 yards and hit a 3 hybrid, which measures from 19 to 21, an average carry distance of 230 yards. Here are Tiger's averages for this season on shots that were measured: Driver: Titleist TSi3 (10 degrees) Required fields are marked *. God how I loved playing golf. Please include a self-addressed envelope with prepaid postage for return. After reading this article I did more research and discovered I should be playing nearly 1200 yards shorter, and doing so without shame. Trackman stats obviously don't mean that much either. I suppose you have the biggest and fastest car as well ? I think this is very interesting but misleading. I originally tried the 12 bounce in the 52 degree but I could feel the club stuttering in the turf at impact. As you can see, 45% have a club speed between 91 and 100 mph. Acting upon real data, not opinion, takes a giant step in that direction. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Very unfortunately most of us are too busy with other things we need to do. I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. It is vital for them to know exactly how far they hit their wedges with a variety of different types of shots because feel is so important from those short distances, especially at the top level of the game, where a yard or two can make the difference between winning or losing a tournament. To help however answer the question as well as we can the table below shows the varying distances some of the top pros, including Tiger Woods, Rory McIlroy and Dustin Johnson, are hitting their wedges, together with the degrees of loft their clubs are listed at. He defeated Will Zalatoris in a 3-hole playoff to clinch the title for the second time. I'm planning to change my irons this year after a number of years but before heading straight to a club fitter to test out all the latest and greatest models I thought it would be interesting to take What Driver is Most Used On the PGA Tour? Apex Height 112' 11" In 2019, he launched the Justin Thomas Foundation, aimed to help military families, junior golf and children in need. Your ball speed is a little low which could indicate an off-center strike. Heat treatment This treatment is now applied to the impact areas of the face to increase durability. The consistency of impact through the sand was staggering, I seemed to take the exact same amount of sand and impact location every time. This is so I could hit it higher and spin it more, enabling me to access that tough pin position. When it comes to how far the pros hit a 3 wood and the other longer clubs in the bag including their hybrids the distance analysis gets a bit more complicated because clearly the pros are starting to use these clubs for a wider variety type of shots than they do for their driver. How many average golfers drive the ball 250 yards and keep it in the fairway? However, it is more the fact that golfers are playing courses that are too long relative to club speed and skill level. Does that make sense? Dear Claeys, We highly recommend you to visit a TrackMan coach or fitter close to you, as there are many individual aspects to your question. You can check the combine driver stats here: https://mytrackman.com/#combine. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364404259' post='6707501'] I'm BARELY 250 off the tee, but I will mop the floor with most from 125 in If I have a front pin with a hard green, I would go at it harder with the shorter club, maybe a 150 yard pitching wedge. You can follow GolfWRX on Twitter @GolfWRX, Facebook and Instagram. He has an average attack angle of -1.6 degrees. But if you can hit it 275 on your home muni track, that is at least 290 on a tour track with manicured fairways and perfect level tee boxes to hit from. Does the AMA truly know how far each of their clubs carries? How Often Do Pros Hit Driver? #TeamTrackMan I've had the privilege of playing with and watching tour players in person, so I know what they're capable of. Is here any benefit ideas about beginners level women, what you say? Shafts: KBS Tour 125 S+, Wedges: TaylorMade Milled Grind 3 (50-09SB, 54-11SB, 60-08LB) Tee and Approach Shots! Im 46 years old and dont think my 95 mph swing speed will increase that dramatically without throwing rhythm off. As such, this article will focus on the performance of the average male amateur (AMA). Despite the slight changes SM9 still looks very much like a Vokey should and thats what I like about these heads. Their experiences, time away from family, and willingness to sacrifice their lives for our freedom has truly made an impact on Justin. The questions you ask are great questions, but unfortunately that data is not readily available. Unless of course it's short enough to hit the 3 wood or driver at the green. I also play at a local par 3 course which holds the junior par 3 championship and I have shot 7 under around the par 3 course. First we have to determine the average length of the par 4s at your course from the different tees available. Justin Thomas [/quote] The data results given in this article are completely skewed. There is a very obvious relationship between these two variables. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. Thankfully also the SM9s dont seem to be ripping the cover off your ball, but looking at the Trackman numbers the backspin was high which you'd expect from the milled grooves. One suggestion could be to setup course length based on club speed and optimal driver efficiency. 19* SLDR Resuce // Speeder 9.3s [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364416375' post='6708959'] Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. The first chart, with the club speed distribution, is that only for hcp 14-15 golfers? Progressive Centre of Gravity - Maintaining the lower CG in the stronger lofts, while raising CG even further in the more lofted clubs. The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. Justin is that really you?? The above statements were [i]only[/i] about length. Join the Thomas family to help fund important programming for children in need, junior golf and military families. Congratulations to Justin Thomas, winning the CJ Cup! For more By adding 10 yards to every shot hit by the AMA from 160 yards, the percentage of shots that would hit the green increases from 38.5% to 44.0% and the average distance from the target decreases from 71.8 feet to 60.6 feet. Your link has been automatically embedded. Does Trackman update this data each year? [/quote] By understanding simple averages and probabilities, a golfer can choose the best club and target for each shot. As we can again see from Brooks Koepkas yardage book above he has 5 different yardages listed for each of his specialist wedges which highlights just how much distance control the best golfers in the world can exert with their wedges. Carry Distance 302.9 And as it is highly unlikely even the best pros in the world never want to hit their driver as far as they can so it is clearly the club we are going to get the best idea of the maximum distance they hit the ball. How to Hit Massive Drives! My average driver distance over 2 full rounds it 223 yards and that includes the one or two bad shots off the box that only goes 100 plus yards just above the red Ts . All rights reserved, https://justinthomasgolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Charles-Lambert-video-2.mp4, https://justinthomasgolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Justin-Thomas-2.mp4, https://justinthomasgolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/20220908_125734.mp4. Top 50 Player Guide. That smash factor surprises me a bit. The previous table looked at the approach distance the AMA will have based on hole length and average drive distance. 5 Testers Needed! I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. The AMA isnt going to be achieving this max theoretical 255 yard drive very often. Also, the dispersion for misses will be much wider for the AMA than the professional. Learn how your comment data is processed. Mizumo T22 Blue 54 58 S400 TI Scotty Squareback and Odyssey OG #7, Srixon ZX5 MKII Irons 4-PW Like New and a Titleist U505 4 Iron, OG Nike TW13 PING i59 irons Vessel Stand bag (trade). Mr Vokey has listened and gone on to design a wedge with the feedback of those players in mind. The "you have to be a tour player to hit a long way" mentality is comical to say the least. Theyre familiar and consistent, you wont see Bob Vokey ever designing a wedge with a high toe or full face of grooves. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] I do agree the AMA should be playing much shorter courses than most presently do. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. Club head speed is around 90 MPH giving me a distance of 214 yrds. I don't measure my driver distance.
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